邪恶力量洛杉磯影友會報導－私人座談(转自火星360)

這篇文章出自大學教授的研究部落格，以前報告過，他們想從影迷角度看影迷文化，這個計畫將寫成一本書，所以幾乎都有去參加影友會，並且寫這個網站做長期的追踪。這次他們有機會參加了特別 VIP 面對面的座談，並且把過程紀錄下來（大學教授寫文跟記者寫文就是不一樣），雖然過程中並沒有太多新東西要透露，但是全文的語氣非常溫馨。（當然我的翻譯很爛，請看原文）。與 Jared 還有 Jensen 聊天－ 當活生生的山姆與迪恩是什麼感覺？ 合作過的明星，誰聞起來比較臭？以及對第六季的展望。 A Chat With Jared and Jensen – On Living Sam and Dean, Costars Who Smell Bad, and Looking Ahead to Season Six 我們很幸運在上週末，與一小群粉絲，參加 SPN 洛杉磯影友會中一場私人與 J2 的聚會。所謂私人，是一個相對的語詞，不僅代表我們與男孩們私下相處，而且還面對面地坐在一塊，就像跟普通人聊天一樣，沒有隔著麥克風，遠勝過在擠滿了人，舞台兩邊還有保全護衛的大禮堂裡發問，能得到更多的訊息，這是一個絕佳的機會，問更多狂熱影迷們（Fangasm）的問題。 Jared 跟 Jensen 拉開了椅子（Jared 立刻旋轉他的椅子，跨坐在椅子上，把他的手肘靠在椅背上像個大孩子）。然後輕鬆，熱情的跟我們聊天。另一方面，一小群女演迷（加一位男影迷），顯得出奇的安靜，沒有我們想像中那麼緊張，有些人把他們的問題，寫在卡片上，想必是為了以防萬一，當男孩們的眼光一靠近，自己想要專心正常交談，會因為分心，讓大腦完全無法正常運作。這點我們完全可以理解，Lynn 是唯一把主辦單位特別準備的開胃菜給全吃光的人，嘿～免費的食物！然而她大部份時間都得努力控制，不要講話時滿嘴食物。 當 Jensen 提到，先前在主場座談時，他講到自己對 Serge Ladouceur （攝影指導）的天份非常敬佩，我們感到非常興奮（你可以從部落格裡找到我們以前對 Serge Ladouceur 非常敬佩的兩份報導。），在私人座談時間，Jensen 再一次提到 Serge，說他在 The End 裡，給兩個迪恩不同的打光，雖然細微，但卻是非常關鍵性的不同。 所以我們很高興有這個機會告訴 Jensen 跟 Jared，Serge 也曾跟我們說過相同的話，他非常欽佩他們兩人，說他們兩個有驚人的能力，能表達非常情緒性的演出，不用替他們製造人工眼淚，男孩們聽了之後非常高興，於是我們立刻接著問：「你們是如何辦到的？」Jensen 先跳出來回答這個問題，說現在已經有點改變，一開始，他跟 Jared 彼此還沒有那麼熟悉，甚至他們對自己的角色也不是那麼清楚的時候，他們需要從現實的生活中，想一些東西，好達到那種情緒。Jensen 談到當山姆在 Heart 這集裡，面對要殺死狼人 Madison， Jared 想到要殺死自己心愛的狗狗 Sadie 跟 Harley，這樣一對比，情緒可以更加真實，Jensen 一想到，如果 Jared 真的這樣做的話，會有多傷心，也就跟著哽咽。（拜託這兩個人實在是＝＿＝）所以不管是山姆的痛若，或是迪恩流下同情的單行眼淚，這些讓人心碎的畫面，都是發自內心的。Jensen 還表達自己的同情說，Jared 那天拍攝，花了好長的時間才平復下來。 現在兩位演員，都不需要再想 SPN 以外的事情來幫忙演出。就像 Jensen 講的，他們對自己的角色已經了解的很透澈，可以直接知道他們的感受。他知道迪恩在特定情況下，會有什麼感覺，而 Jared 知道山姆會有什麼樣的反應。當山姆在 All Hell Breaks Loose 這集死在迪恩的懷裡，所有的痛苦都是屬於迪恩的，因為 Jensen 知道，如果山姆死了，迪恩會怎麼想。而 Jared 也非常清楚的知道，在第三季季末，山姆看見迪恩被地獄之犬撕成了彩帶（Jensen 的說法），山姆受到很大的打擊，而且崩潰，他的反應就是單純對這件事感覺到痛苦。他們已經活在角色之中，了解山姆跟迪恩彼此會有何反應。對自己的角色以及他們彼此角色的親密了解，足以讓他們直接反應，讓攝影機去補捉最後的結果。 Jensen 繼續說，如果你能感受到你角色的感覺，會讓情緒性的螢幕畫面有很大的不同，因為你是自然而然的讓自己去感受你的角色，不需要刻意去嘗試。不用一直對著自己腦袋說，「喂，這時候我應該要哭！」現在兩個人演 SPN 都不需要這樣做，這讓他們了解，演出這樣情緒性的戲，如何能打動觀眾。如同 Jensen 所言，大部份時間，當你對現實生活不滿的時候，你不是試著要哭出來，而是試著不要哭出來，如果迪恩真的感到痛苦，他一定會試著不要顯露出來。Jensen 為什麼能演出那種感覺，是因為他感同身受。「這不是一件容易的工作，你的身體並不知道兩者之間有什麼差別，」他再次說，就像他前面所強調的：「有時那會搞亂你的內在，想要大哭，一整天都不好過。」 （Jensen 同時示範給我們看，誇張的表演是多麼的誘人，如果你想要表演喝醉了，在現實世界裡，你喝醉了，通常都想看到自己的樣子，這是一個瘋狂酒鬼的誇張表演，完全難看的攤在他的椅子上，講著一些含糊不清的話。這讓我們想起了當時訪問他的時候，他忽然決定要演出在機場遇到個十二歲小女孩，當然，他一個人演兩個角色，非常完美。如果你要訪問 Jensen Ackles 千萬不要喝飲料，除非你想讓他在逗你大笑的時候「嗆到」。）Jared 補充說，他跟 Jensen 兩人都非常敏感，當這種誇張表演發生在其它的演員身上時，。心靈補手 Good Will Hunting 是 Jared 最喜歡的電影之一，其中有一幕，演員看起來沒有表達的非常正確，有一句他講出來的台詞，沒有正確表達那個神態，讓 Jared 每次看到那裡都會想一下。當我們坐在哪裡聽，點頭對男孩們大力表示同意，我們發現這幾乎不會發生在 SPN 身上，這種事發生在電影的裡的機會有多大，更何況是在電視裡。 男孩們回答了幾個關於對方的問題，這給了他們機會，用一種很窩心的方式，互相拍拍彼此的背，Jensen 說，當 Jared 要拍一些輕鬆，比較喜劇的戲時，他都被排除在外，因為，A)他永遠演不夠，而且，B)他演的比較好，他舉 Bad Day at Black Rock 為例，並且當場即性模仿山姆說「 I lost my Shooooe！」真是棒極了。 Jensen 同時也有機會，向 Jared 演戲的能力致敬，當有人問到，假設最後迪恩真的說 yes，他要如何扮演米迦爾，Jensen 說他會學 Jared 在 The End 這集，當路西弗附身在山姆身上的演出方式。事實上，當演員 Matt Cohen （年輕的紐翰）過來問 Jensen 一些意見，要如何演出年輕的紐翰被米迦爾附身，Jensen 把 Matt 帶到他的拖車，然後放 Jared 演的路西弗給他看。「看到了嗎？」Jensen 對 Matt 說：「同樣一個人，但是不同，你仍然是他的兄弟，但那種來自別的世界，天使情的東西會呈現出來。」Jensen 繼續說：「我對 Jared 在 The End 裡的路西弗印象非常深刻，我為他感到驕傲。」他說，如果他有機會演米迦爾，他會學 Jared 的演出，試著像他演的一樣棒。 當 Jensen 在表揚他的時候，Jared 臉上帶著靦睓的微笑聽著他說話，表情非常可愛。而我們都一致同意 Jensen，Jared 那場戲實在表現的太棒了。有些人問到，在一起工作這久了，而男孩們講到他們非常的親近，但不只有彼此而已，而是整個劇組都很親密，攝影師就站在我們的旁邊，而他們跟劇組人員的熟悉成度遠勝過自己的家人還有朋友，因為他們跟劇組在一起的時間，比他們還長。五年來，他們都看見了彼此的成長與變化，大部份的組員一開始就跟著這節目，既使是薪水被裁剪也沒離開，因為 SPN 是個如此棒的工作地方。有個組員說，他幾乎沒法子想像他在別的地方工作。在我們自己過去幾年與 SPN 劇組訪問的經驗，已經不止一次聽到人們說相同的話。 這表示我們，還有他們，都非常興奮有第六季，Jensen 說，第一季跟目前這季，是他的最愛，所以他期待第六季會重回像第一季那樣。事實上 Jenssen 告訴我們，編劇已經在著手在盤算第七季跟第八季，以防萬一，這讓我們高興的想大叫。而男孩們看起來也非常快樂。 Jensen 跟 Jared 都談到這一季將變的黑暗，山姆跟迪恩會觸及真相，而且，最終用某種形式揭發它。坐在那裡，看著 Jensen 跟 Jared 輪流說服我們對方是多麼的有才華，（好像在座的人都需要被說服一樣），聽著他們各自對自己角色，以及對山姆和迪恩合作的力量的了解，我們太擔心最後出來的結果。 We were lucky enough to join a small group of fans at last weekend’s Supernatural convention in LA for a ‘private Q&A’ with Jared and Jensen. Private is a relative term – it’s not like we were having alone time with the boys, alas. But talking to someone sitting right across from you, without an intervening microphone, is a lot more informal than asking questions in a packed auditorium with security flanking both sides of the stage, so this was fun – and an excellent opportunity for some more Fangasm questions! Jared and Jensen pulled up chairs (Jared immediately spun his around and straddled it, leaning his elbows on the back like a big kid) and were laid back and eager to chat. The small group of fangirls (and one fanboy), on the other hand, were surprisingly quiet – and maybe not so surprisingly nervous. Some had their questions written on index cards, presumably in case the sight of the boys up close and personal and engaged in normal conversation was too distracting to allow higher brain functions to work properly – which we can completely understand. Lynn was the only one partaking of the appetizers that the con thoughtfully provided – hey, free food! — though she managed not to talk with her mouth full for the most part. We were thrilled when Jensen brought up his admiration for Serge Ladouceur’s talent during the Q&A on the main stage earlier (you can read about our own admiration in our two-part interview with Serge here). In the private Q&A, Jensen brought Serge up again, saying that he’d even lit the two Dean’s differently in “The End”, a subtle but crucial difference. So we were glad to have the chance to tell Jensen and Jared what Serge had said to us about his admiration for them – and their amazing ability to emote without resorting to artificial tears. The boys seemed pleased, and then we asked, “So, how do you do that?” Jensen jumped in to answer first, saying that it’s changed — in the beginning, when he and Jared didn’t really know each other that well, and neither of them really knew their characters, they needed to think about something from their real lives in order to ‘get there.’ Jensen talked about how Jared thought about having to put down his own beloved dogs, Sadie and Harley, when Sam was faced with killing Madison the werewolf in the episode “Heart.” The parallels made the emotions even more powerful – so much that Jensen got choked up for real thinking about how much it would hurt Jared to do that. So both Sam’s anguish – and the heartbreaking image of Dean’s single tear of empathy – were both genuine. Jensen added with empathy of his own that it took a long time for Jared to calm down after shooting that day. Now neither actor has to think about something from their lives outside of Supernatural. As Jensen said, they know these characters well enough to actually feel their emotions. He knows what Dean will feel in a given situation, and Jared knows what Sam will feel. When Sam died in Dean’s arms in “All Hell Breaks Loose”, that anguish was all Dean’s, because Jensen knows how Dean would feel if Sam were dead. Jared knew exactly how Sam would feel seeing Dean “ribboned” (Jensen’s words) by the hell hounds at the end of Season 3. Sam was devastated, torn apart, and his reaction was simply the natural result of that agony. They’re living these characters, and understand what Sam and Dean are to each other. And that knowledge – both of their characters, and of their characters’ bond – allows them to just feel, and the camera captures the results. Jensen went on to say that being able to feel as your character makes a difference to how emotions look onscreen, because you’re allowing yourself to feel what you would feel without trying, instead of saying in your head, “okay, I have to cry here.” Neither of the actors has to do that on Supernatural, and that’s what gives their understated acting such an emotional punch for viewers. As Jensen said, most of the time when you’re that upset in real life, you’re not trying to cry, you’re trying not to cry. And if Dean is really feeling that anguish, then he can try to hold it together too, and Jensen can show that because he’s really experiencing it. “It’s hard work, your body doesn’t know the difference,” he said again, as he’s noted before. “It can mess you up inside crying like that, sometimes for the rest of the day”. (Jensen also gave the example of how tempting it is to overact when you’re trying to convey being drunk – when in reality, if you’re drunk you’re usually trying not to look it! This was accompanied by a hysterical demonstration of inebriated overacting, complete with ungainly sprawls in his chair and a few slurred words. We were reminded of the time we were interviewing him and he decided to act out an airport encounter with a twelve year old girl. Of course, he played both parts. Perfectly. Never try to drink something while you’re interviewing Jensen Ackles, unless you want to choke on it when he cracks you up). Jared added that he and Jensen are both very attuned to when that kind of overplaying is happening with other actors. Good Will Hunting is one of Jared’s favorite films, but there’s one scene where the actor just doesn’t quite get it right – there’s a specific quirk of his mouth that doesn’t strike the appropriate expression, and it throws Jared out of the moment every time he sees it. As we sat there listening and nodding our heads at the boys in enthusiastic agreement, we realized that hardly ever happens in Supernatural – and how rare that is in film, and especially in television. The boys answered a few questions about each other, which gave them a chance to pat each other on the back in a rather heartwarming way. Jensen said he “gets a kick out of it” when Jared gets to do lighter, more comedic scenes, because a) he doesn’t get enough of them, and b) he’s great at them. He cited “Bad Day at Black Rock” as an example, doing an impromptu imitation of Sam’s “I lost my shoooooe.” Oh, boys. Jensen also got a chance to pay homage to Jared’s acting chops when someone asked a question about how he’d play the angel Michael if Dean ends up saying yes. Jensen said he’d take inspiration from the way Jared played Lucifer possessing Sam in “The End” – in fact, when actor Matt Cohen came to Jensen for advice on how to play young John possessed by Michael, Jensen actually took Matt to his trailer and played him the clip of Jared as Lucifer. “See?” he said to Matt, “Same guy, but different. You’re still his brother, but also this angelic otherworldly presence.” Jensen went on to say, “I was really impressed with Jared in “The End” as Lucifer, really proud of him.” He says that if he does ever get to play Michael, he’ll take Jared’s lead and try to copy how well he did it. Jared listened with a shy grin on his face while Jensen sang his praises, which was all kinds of adorable. And Jared? We totally agree with Jensen. He rocked that scene. Jensen also said that working with Jared as Lucifer was extremely difficult, because although he was playing Dean, he was getting none of the customary “Sam” responses back from Jared. They both talked about how much they depend on that closeness, that interplay between the brothers. As Jensen said, “Jared played Lucifer with Dean as if he didn’t mean anything to me.” Not having that made “The End” one of the hardest episodes they’ve done, but also one they’re very proud of. Both like seeing the other tackle a different side of their character, like Future Dean or Sam/Lucifer – they seem to get a great deal of joy out of seeing the other have a chance to shine. Their answer to our question was quite serious (and quite long – a great opportunity for an extended conversation, so believe me, we weren’t complaining!) But the boys were also playful, saying that when they read a new script what they get most excited about is figuring out if they have any days off, and telling tales out of school about costars who smell bad. (No, not just Jared. Apparently Jessica Alba and Katie Holmes have had some less-than-fragrant moments too. ) Someone asked about working together so much, and the boys talked about how close they were, not just with each other, but with the entire crew, the cameramen “right up in our space” and how they knew the crew as well or better than family and friends because they spend so much more time with them. They’ve all seen each other grow and change for five years, and most of the crew have stayed with the show even in the face of pay cuts, because Supernatural is such an amazing set to work on. One crew guy said he’d find it nearly impossible to work anywhere else. On our own visits to the Supernatural set over the past few years, we heard person after person say exactly the same thing. Which means that we – and they – are very excited to have a Season 6! Jensen said that Season 1 and the current season are his favorites, so he’s excited that S6 might be a sort of ‘reset’ to Season 1. In fact, Jensen told us that the writers are already sketching out Seasons 7 and 8 “just in case”, which made us want to squee with delight. The boys seemed pretty delighted too. Both Jensen and Jared talked about how this season is going to get very dark, how Sam and Dean “have to hit rock bottom” and eventually “have it out.” Somehow, sitting there watching Jensen and Jared take turns convincing us of each other’s merits (like anyone in the room needed convincing….) and listening to how intimately they know their characters and understand the strength of Sam and Dean’s bond, we’re not too worried about the outcome.