Easy English?

来自：R.J GREAT(Chief Cook & Bottle Washer)
2010-08-12 22:27:00

1 English is an important global language - but that doesn't mean it's easy to learn. Many experts have tried to make English easier for students to learn, but they weren't always successful. 2 In 1930, Professor C.K. Ogden of Cambridge University invented Basic English. It had only 850 words (and just eighteen verbs!), and Ogden said most people could learn it in just thirty hours. The problem was that those people who learned Basic English could write and say simple messages but they couldn't understand the answers in 'real' English! It was also impossible to explain a word which wasn't in the Basic English word list; so if you want a water melon, you asked for 'a large green fruit with the form of an egg, which has a sweet red inside and a good taste'. 3 R.E. Zachrisson, a university professor in Sweden, decided that the biggest problem for learners of English was spelling, so he invented a langauge called Anglic. Anglic was similar to English but with much simpler spelling. 'Father' became 'faadher', 'new' became 'nue' ... and 'years' became 'yeerz'. Sadly, Anglic never became popular. 4 Even easier is the language which ships' captains use: it's called 'Seaspeak'. Seaspeak uses a few simple phrases for every possible situation. In 'Seaspeak.' for example, you don't say 'I'm sorry, what did you say?' or 'I didn't understand, can you repeat that?' It's just 'Say again.' No more grammar! 5 In the age of computers and international communication through the Internet, who knows? ... A new form of English might appear. A large number of the world's e-mail messages are in English and include examples of NetLingo like O.I.C. (Oh, I see!) and T.T.Y.L. (Talk to you later). In another fifty years English as we know it might not exist - we will probably all speak fluent Internetish!

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Norman 2010-08-13 00:30:21

Even though English is actually the major lingua franca nowadays and there have been quite a lot of hybrid varieties of English all over the world such as American English,Indian English,Australian English,the authority of its standard form,however,would never really been challenged or impaired,as it has always been.

Bearing in mind that the development of a language is largely decided by social or historical factors,it thus becomes no wonder for us that language changes as much as the humankind evolves.But again,as long as the human civilization remains similar in many aspects,which is quite explicit since all people's minds are of no real difference, the core of a language is bound to stand still. As regards those informal,slangy or colloquial forms of English,they should certainly and only belong to the subculture domain,since it wont function well in the mainstream world.A lot of complicated social demands and linguistic needs could not be satisfied without the standard form being applied,and that's why the Standard English withstands the ages and why it could only be advised,modified or enriched rather than replaced or eliminated.

BTW,westerners are usually very missionary when dealing with such international affairs.My opinion is that since English is only a communicative tool for practical use,it could and would not be the only popular language in the world.Those people,some as you have mentioned,who try hard to teach others English in a foolproof way,is simply doing nonsense in my eyes.Why should everybody learn English?If indeed there is a reason for one doing so,why not immediately attend to the Standard English?I cant understand their teaching and of course learning those extremly-simplified forms of English.It's so absurd and laughable.

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R.J GREAT (Chief Cook & Bottle Washer) 楼主 2010-08-13 00:39:09

ls, you're an expert!

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Norman 2010-08-13 00:45:32

I just read some stuff on this issue tonight... So actually I'm not an expert,there's nothing new in my comment...

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路人 2010-08-13 00:53:53

三问号是工科生？写文章很文邹邹的啊。佩服佩服。

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Norman 2010-08-13 00:58:44

我以前是理科生.... 主要是今晚正好看了本图书馆借来的书，里面第一篇文章就是：English Grwos into Strange Shapes When Transpanted into Foreign Soil. 所以面对这个话题思路很清晰...

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路人 2010-08-13 01:01:15

以前是理科。。。现在英语专业了？？转系了？双学位？读研了？不懂啊。

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Norman 2010-08-13 01:08:09

我是说高中是理科... 我只是个英语专业，业余我会自己看一些感兴趣的数学和物理，不过实在是智商不行，总是得一段话看无数遍还是看不懂....所以当时我就很有自知之明地选英语了...

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路人 2010-08-13 01:12:38

我想自学高等数学想了几年了，书也买了几本，可到现在都还没行动。图书馆借了几本也没看，还误期罚了款，哈哈。数学啊、物理啊，心头之痛。

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Norman 2010-08-13 01:18:40

其实我也是“看懂一点算一点”“看到哪里算哪里”... 在数学和物理小组转了转，才发现貌似数学是一切理科学习的基础...高数，数分，高代，线代...这些学了，才能学普物，然后才能学量子力学什么的，然后这些还只是基础OMG...

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Norman 2010-08-13 01:26:30

lafingn,would you just stop being such a cynic?I know you have a larger and more advanced vocabulary than me,so I respect you,and I hope you will do me the same.

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Norman 2010-08-13 01:33:08

Have I just got the magic power to arouse your anger for basically no reason! Why would you always treat me so dreadfully?I speak my English,and you yours,isnt our issue perfectly done?Give me a final note.

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Norman 2010-08-13 01:35:31

Too late,got to sign off...

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R.J GREAT (Chief Cook & Bottle Washer) 楼主 2010-08-13 01:55:32

确实很文绉绉的感觉

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Norman 2010-08-13 02:00:54

1.You have treated me horribly before I "BETRAY"ed my hasty mindset to show superiority this time.....So why would you do that?Seriously....

2.If normal reaction to unfair treatment could termed cynical,I dont know how to identify the cynical level of your behavior.

3.What's your FAVOUR you would do for me,psychological analysis?

4.The reason why I study mathematics and physics is not what you can undertand...But I can assure you,it has nothing to do with showing-off or imaginary superiority. I had a happy time,a golden time,studying mathematics when I was a kid,and I abandoned it for romantic or sentimental things and some social and artistic affairs later.And afterwards all these things betrayed me,so that I realized that only mathematics could bring me back and show my confession to myself.Even though I could never go back actually,and it turns out that my mind has really become more stupid....All I offer to myself is a promise to practice it,regardless of the results and anything worldly affected....So now would you still insist upon your first-sight conclusion?

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Norman 2010-08-13 02:09:04

也许吧，毕竟我只是在学习写作中。不同地方风格不同，就好像小学生写作“今天我们去游园，湖泊像一条碧绿的带子...."很文绉绉，但并不表示到了高中生还会这样写啊.... 我现在水平的确不可能写得很绰绰有余吧

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Norman 2010-08-13 02:18:01

Upon my signing off,I finally find an exact word for lafingn:Troll. So typical.

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神兜兜 (四年的轮回之夏) 2010-08-13 10:36:36

考,大眼和三号都是夜猫子,夜谈阿

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Norman 2010-08-13 11:16:37

First of all,I should make a little amendment:"Upon" in Upon my signing off is incorrect,so perhaps I would rewrite as:Just before....

Then,troll has a newfangled meaning.I first met this word in a foreign forum(a very highly-educated one actually due to the theme of the forum,but I dont want to tell the theme,where I met many college professors and students all around world,for instance literature professor ,physicist and some others).TROLL was used to describe a guy who always make mockery in a particular page,so everbody calls him a TROLL,at that time I didnt really care to know its meaning.But for your sake,I finally got it.... In my Oxford dictionary,it goes like this:a message to a discussion group on the Internet that sb dliberately sends to make other people angry;a person who sens messages like this. And so is in BAIDU BAIKE. I hope you can defend your 'Last-Century" thing,since I met this word amongst foreigners in this century.Or is it just because you didnt know this meaning at all?

At last,upon your analysis,I dont know what makes you feel so pretentious and arrogant.Should I say you have a unappy childhood and just discovered your low IQ when you grew up,thus leading to your abject and forlorn mood at present?

I wouldnt bother with more clarification,since you are clearly not worth it.And to be honest,in foreign forums,I've seen many foreigners speaking really humorous and sarcastic English when criticizing or making a mockery of one another,they're the real language master,compared with whom,your comments seemed to me impossible to reach a more shallow,awkward and pointless plane.I hope you get this at first,so you would realize how boring your stuff could be for me.

At last,I'll add something for you information. 1.My childhood is common,a child knowing nothing,hanging around with a lot of other kids from the neighbourhood,playing with toys and sometimes in wild areas playing in the grass or by a lake whatever.... Since my school stuff was going well then,I bet you should know how well I am admitted:)

2."My terrible fact" is my being so talented.Sometimes,as Wilde said in <An Ideal Husband>these intellectual things could be the most unbecoming...I always prefer to lead a simple and plain life instead where I might feel more secured and courteous.I never ever judge a thing by these shallow criteria,I hope you know not everybody is the same as you.

In addition,perhaps you dont know one anecdote of Bertrand Russell.When he was young,he has always thought of leaving the world,however,he decides to stay to study the mathematics;and there are many instances like this in the history of mathematics.One mathematician,who had no special knowledge and talent suddenly got interested in maths when he entered college,and he hesitated and oscillated between YES and NO,and tried several times to kill himself,and finally he chose the road of maths,not a very famous one,but I read it in a history book of mathematics.... Of course I'm not comparing myself with them.I'm not that...well...western and talented,perhaps. All I wish is to make an attempt to say I'm sorry to myself,but still I think I am of the knowledge to understand why those in question behaved like that.

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Norman 2010-08-13 11:39:19

2010-08-13 01:12:38 路人 (生命尚未终结，生活却已停止) 我想自学高等数学想了几年了，书也买了几本，可到现在都还没行动。图书馆借了几本也没看，还误期罚了款，哈哈。数学啊、物理啊，心头之痛。
忘了说了，其实你可以看一些国外的教材。在数物小组后才知道，原来国内值得看的理科教材不多，虽然国内的教材可以在最短时间学习最多知识，可是效果没有国外的理想的。我在看Stewart的Calculus(有人说Thomas的更好些），作者娓娓道来，感觉很好接受，而且比起国内而言，题目不怎么难。前苏联和日本的教材据说也各有特色，不过大概会比较难。

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Norman 2010-08-13 11:46:29

Lafingn,I'm sorry that you are not used to reading long texts.But in educated foreign forums,people send long texts as well if necessary. In the Kibitzer's Cafe,a page where people talk about various topics,many native speaker are really generous with words.Concise doesnt mean a lack of BASIC words

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这位太太 (sick and tired~) 2010-08-13 11:46:52

wow~ A real eyeopener

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Norman 2010-08-13 13:22:23

Well,when I say "so talented",I wouldnt have thought of or referred to my English. Clearly,I'm still in the middle of studying it expecting oneday I could handle it not that awkwardly. What if I say English is the worst talented item in fact,huh?Do I sound modest now?(Well,to be fair,it could be one of my talented items,but not the very one) Nonetheless,let's stop arguing about whether one is talented or not,ok?I dont see anything good being talented.The talented is to be deprived,demanded or anything but fairly treated or specially taken care of.Many talents lead miserable private lives since they are devoted to a public welfare of the humankind whilst bearing the cruelty of the world. Dont know what to say about this,but I never thought being talented is my ideal life,I always admire a woman with a satisfied husband and family or an ordinary and careless bachelor or someone like them.I dont know why you admire being talented so much,thus thinking others admire so,it's possible you never experiece the suffering of being talented.

On the other hand,I should say you are very rude demanding others to behave as you will please.I'm not someone you can order,so get real,and ask yourself why should I care your pointless suggestion?You are not the president nor my teacher,and you dont get me touched nor respectful of your authority...

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Norman 2010-08-13 21:24:58

I'm a boy~~ Perhaps I go too far on that matter,so never mind. My fundamental point was that you had taken me entirely wrong,since I'm neither obsessed with being talented nor showing off.

But I do notice that as well as many sociable geniuses are of note in history,there existed many remarkable ones whose private lives were not exactly desirable. And sometimes talented people usually are more likely to surrender their spiritual integrity and virginity more than commoners are. Now do you follow me here?I didnt mean there is a clear-cut division between normal people and talented people,thus it's not like they belong to different classes,hence any exploitation as you put,they just go on different roads somehow.

As for me,I wouldnt say I'm heavily talented.I am just a normal guy who as a detective fan,usually prefer to derive my conclusions from the books and my own personal experience,hence nothing new contained in my text.You can say all I have said here is citing some quotes and opinions from the history.So the talent,if any, should belong to them.

For the most part,I dont hate you,you are talented and it just doesnt matter whether you are touching or not. But I wish you can end our dialogue presently.Looking back on the whole post,shouldnt we realize ours was sheer nonsense and irrelevant to the discussion?

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R.J GREAT (Chief Cook & Bottle Washer) 楼主 2010-08-13 21:49:16

三号所到之处就变成战场了，战火硝烟纷飞同志们，语言不是用来当武器进攻防御的，大家要相互鼓励勉励进步

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Norman 2010-08-13 22:01:22

JK,我是正当防卫。你看看是谁先挑事的？

2010-08-13 01:12:59 lafingn (隐忍的力量) as always, least interesting to read.

if anything impressive, the length. > 删除

我没理睬，他就指名道姓了...

2010-08-13 01:19:26 lafingn (隐忍的力量) i mean the lady "stuck in 3 questions". > 删除

他上次在那个帖子里就很欺负我了，真不明白我怎么惹到他了

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R.J GREAT (Chief Cook & Bottle Washer) 楼主 2010-08-13 22:05:50

大度点嘛，难道学英语开拓眼界是为了让我们心胸狭隘容不得别人的“胡言乱语”吗? 呵呵辩论的主要目的就是为了证明自己是对的，对方是错的。但对错并不绝对，就像你说的语言根据文化语境的不同而不同，你说的是对的，但并非所有人在你说这话的那一刻就能认同，但你不能怪他们，因为可能在经历了一些事情之后他们会突然意识到你说的是对的，环境产生语言，语言应对应的环境产生效力

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Norman 2010-08-13 22:40:18

好吧

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kay (一直在等) 2010-08-13 22:55:22

(⊙_⊙)

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Crazy Candy 2011-05-20 20:28:43

i'm studying this article,"Easy English?".

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go here．english is so easy．http://cang.baidu.com/1023064006?900771544

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