网友rigid在各大网站挖出来的一些小道消息——徕卡M8
考据一下leica m8 m9
基本可以确定Leica X1和富士x100是同一level的东西，
和leica M有着质的区别。
昨天在图书馆随手翻到一本asahi camera，期数忘了，
里面讲到leica S和leica M的时候都特别提到了MAESTRO engine，
到leica X和d-lux的时候没有讲这回事。
今天搜到这个人的说法，
http://testbbs.xitek.com/thread-792437-1-1-1.html
sigeru
"顺便说一下1998-2001年富士是给徕卡的数码相机代工的,徕卡digilux系列就是典型例
子.
2002年后是松下.
Ｘ１的机械部分(零件)是三洋造的, Ｘ１的成像部分是在富士订做的(颜色)
镜头是徕卡设计松下造的, APS-C CMOS 感光器是索尼的,组装是在德国工厂.
三洋现在是松下的子公司. 三洋是日本最大的代工公司,尼康的P7000就是三洋代工."
如果他讲的是事实的话，那X1并非真正的徕卡。
如果富士真的曾为leica x1代工成像模块。
考虑到富士x100比x1后推出，也许x100在成像上对x1会有所借鉴，
松下制的徕卡镜头未必能占到fujinon ebc的便宜，
sony cmos可能还不如富士 cmos。
以上只是我的机械分析。
相反意见有，色影无忌上对leica X1是一片“油润”“德味”的叫好声。
但我觉得，如果仔细看的话，X系列和M系列的色彩取向仍是有不同，尤其是
和M8.据说M系列的成像类似agfa某种胶卷。
以上，我认为，如果要追求真正的leica色彩，M8恐怕是最低的要求。
二手价大概是X1的1.6~1.8倍。
Leica M8 M9的处理器并非采用Maestro，而是Jenoptik的DSP
Leica M及S2以后采用的是Maestro，
Jenoptik是蔡司的子公司，Maestro是基于富士通的Milbeaut。
我估计Jenoptik在色彩上更近乎欧洲人直接、较少修饰的风格。
在M9的pdf
http://leica-camera.pl/wp-content/downloads/M9_FAQ_en.pdf
有段话
“Why does the LEICA M9 not use the Maestro processor?
The use of conventional DSP components allows a very flexible treatment on
JPG processing, a great advantage with the very unique sensor design of the
M9 sensor. In addition, the LEICA M9 was developed parallel to the LEICA S2.
Due to the development schedule, we awarded the contract for the digital
components to Jenoptik.”
说明了M9和S2在处理器上的差别。 “ a great advantage”虽然没有明说，但似乎暗示
了 Jenoptik更切合Kodak CCD的发色。
而在
http://www.luminous-landscape.co ... eica-s2-first.shtml
“But, with the S2 project Leica has developed all of the expertise required for
the digital side in-house. With Fujitsu as the foundry they have designed and
produced their own camera ASIC, the Maestro chip, which provides all of the
high speed processing required for pulling the analog data off the sensor and
transferring it to the memory card as a raw file or JPG. The Maestro chip is
Leica equivalent of the Canon Digic 4, Nikon EXPEED, or Sony Bionz.”
强调Maestro 利用了富士通LSI的高速特性，并没有说色彩。
事实上，我也见过有人在网上抱怨M8慢的问题。
后来search了一下Jenoptik，发现它和数码后背leaf，sinar有着紧密的联系，后来
search到了这个说法，
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/post/40291507
“DMR was designed and built for Leica by Imacon, who used Kodak sensors.
M8 electronics were designed and built for Leica by an operation that Jenoptik
started for Sinar, and later took full control of, who also used Kodak sensors.
M9 and S2 electronics were designed and built for Leica by Phase One, who
also happens to use Kodak sensors. If Leica had had Leaf do S2, instead of
Phase One, it would have had a DALSA sensor. It's that simple.
X1 was designed and built for Leica by a company that used Sony sensors, so
Leica got a Sony sensor camera.
And, of course, Leica rebrands Panasonic cameras, which are full of Panasonic
sensor goodness.”
就是说，M8搬了 Jenoptik 为 Sinar设计的成像模块，M9对应的是 Phase One，而X1
差不多就是日系成像。难怪M系的色彩和日本相机有着明显的区别，尤其是M8。
考虑到建基于富士通milbeaut的处理芯片很多，如nikon expeed，宾得prime，还有
sigma dp,sd。而Jenoptik虽然不如milbeaut全面，但毕竟是sinar，leaf等高端数码后
背使用过的。虽然使用富士通的Maestro也是由leica调教，我直觉Jenoptik在色彩表现
上会高出一点。
这样看来，二手价1万5可以买到的leica M8还是有着一定的unique价值，有钱的童鞋
不妨考虑下。
基本可以确定Leica X1和富士x100是同一level的东西，
和leica M有着质的区别。
昨天在图书馆随手翻到一本asahi camera，期数忘了，
里面讲到leica S和leica M的时候都特别提到了MAESTRO engine，
到leica X和d-lux的时候没有讲这回事。
今天搜到这个人的说法，
http://testbbs.xitek.com/thread-792437-1-1-1.html
sigeru
"顺便说一下1998-2001年富士是给徕卡的数码相机代工的,徕卡digilux系列就是典型例
子.
2002年后是松下.
Ｘ１的机械部分(零件)是三洋造的, Ｘ１的成像部分是在富士订做的(颜色)
镜头是徕卡设计松下造的, APS-C CMOS 感光器是索尼的,组装是在德国工厂.
三洋现在是松下的子公司. 三洋是日本最大的代工公司,尼康的P7000就是三洋代工."
如果他讲的是事实的话，那X1并非真正的徕卡。
如果富士真的曾为leica x1代工成像模块。
考虑到富士x100比x1后推出，也许x100在成像上对x1会有所借鉴，
松下制的徕卡镜头未必能占到fujinon ebc的便宜，
sony cmos可能还不如富士 cmos。
以上只是我的机械分析。
相反意见有，色影无忌上对leica X1是一片“油润”“德味”的叫好声。
但我觉得，如果仔细看的话，X系列和M系列的色彩取向仍是有不同，尤其是
和M8.据说M系列的成像类似agfa某种胶卷。
以上，我认为，如果要追求真正的leica色彩，M8恐怕是最低的要求。
二手价大概是X1的1.6~1.8倍。
Leica M8 M9的处理器并非采用Maestro，而是Jenoptik的DSP
Leica M及S2以后采用的是Maestro，
Jenoptik是蔡司的子公司，Maestro是基于富士通的Milbeaut。
我估计Jenoptik在色彩上更近乎欧洲人直接、较少修饰的风格。
在M9的pdf
http://leica-camera.pl/wp-content/downloads/M9_FAQ_en.pdf
有段话
“Why does the LEICA M9 not use the Maestro processor?
The use of conventional DSP components allows a very flexible treatment on
JPG processing, a great advantage with the very unique sensor design of the
M9 sensor. In addition, the LEICA M9 was developed parallel to the LEICA S2.
Due to the development schedule, we awarded the contract for the digital
components to Jenoptik.”
说明了M9和S2在处理器上的差别。 “ a great advantage”虽然没有明说，但似乎暗示
了 Jenoptik更切合Kodak CCD的发色。
而在
http://www.luminous-landscape.co ... eica-s2-first.shtml
“But, with the S2 project Leica has developed all of the expertise required for
the digital side in-house. With Fujitsu as the foundry they have designed and
produced their own camera ASIC, the Maestro chip, which provides all of the
high speed processing required for pulling the analog data off the sensor and
transferring it to the memory card as a raw file or JPG. The Maestro chip is
Leica equivalent of the Canon Digic 4, Nikon EXPEED, or Sony Bionz.”
强调Maestro 利用了富士通LSI的高速特性，并没有说色彩。
事实上，我也见过有人在网上抱怨M8慢的问题。
后来search了一下Jenoptik，发现它和数码后背leaf，sinar有着紧密的联系，后来
search到了这个说法，
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/post/40291507
“DMR was designed and built for Leica by Imacon, who used Kodak sensors.
M8 electronics were designed and built for Leica by an operation that Jenoptik
started for Sinar, and later took full control of, who also used Kodak sensors.
M9 and S2 electronics were designed and built for Leica by Phase One, who
also happens to use Kodak sensors. If Leica had had Leaf do S2, instead of
Phase One, it would have had a DALSA sensor. It's that simple.
X1 was designed and built for Leica by a company that used Sony sensors, so
Leica got a Sony sensor camera.
And, of course, Leica rebrands Panasonic cameras, which are full of Panasonic
sensor goodness.”
就是说，M8搬了 Jenoptik 为 Sinar设计的成像模块，M9对应的是 Phase One，而X1
差不多就是日系成像。难怪M系的色彩和日本相机有着明显的区别，尤其是M8。
考虑到建基于富士通milbeaut的处理芯片很多，如nikon expeed，宾得prime，还有
sigma dp,sd。而Jenoptik虽然不如milbeaut全面，但毕竟是sinar，leaf等高端数码后
背使用过的。虽然使用富士通的Maestro也是由leica调教，我直觉Jenoptik在色彩表现
上会高出一点。
这样看来，二手价1万5可以买到的leica M8还是有着一定的unique价值，有钱的童鞋
不妨考虑下。
